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'On Time' and season tickets

by Penfold @ 11/04/2008 - 12:10:02

What... exactly... does 'on time' mean?

According to my dictionary:
"punctual |ˈpə ng k ch oōəl|
adjective happening or doing something at the agreed or proper time; on time : he's the sort of man who's always punctual."

Now, clearly, that's not exactly what NXEC mean. What NXEC say is: "Punctuality is measured as a percentage of all National Express East Coast trains that have arrived at their final destination within ten minutes of the advertised time: this is known as the Public Performance Measure (PPM)."

But, of course, the 'advertised' time, as anyone can tell from a quick peek at the Kings Cross arrivals board is anything from 2 to 6 minutes later than when NXEC think the train'll actually get there.

Anyone want to tell me how much slack there is on top of that in the working timetable? I've been told that pre-Hatfield the actual no-slack time was around 34 mins from Peterborough to King's Cross.

Of course, in order to meet performance goals, NXEC only have to meet the PPM nine times out of ten.

So. Anyway. On time? Means "no more than 15 mins later than we think we can do it, PLUS we can balls it up totally about five times a day."

My season ticket renewal last week, needless to say, didn't get a discount. At least I don't think it did, since I can't actually find out on the NXEC web site how much I should have paid.

Of course, that was the grandfathered GNER-style compensation clause. From now on, I can claim for individual delays.... and look, we have another brand spanking new definition of 'on time'.

THIRTY minutes later than the already generous timetable. And I get paid in lovely, shiny, NXEC vouchers. At least I can use 'em to pay for next year's season ticket, but... hey, look. Now we can balls up EVERY train EVERY day by 29 minutes (plus our generous slack built in to the timetable) and not have to compensate the customers.


 
 

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TMC [Visitor]
http://themodelcommuter.com
2008-04-11 @ 14:01

Given we're all part of one big happy family ushering in a new era of rail travel (that new era seemingly being a continuation of the old era with less reliability) I wouldn't be surprised if you move to the 'claim per delay' model of compansation which we've had with One for a while (and which has carried over into National Express East Anglia Oooh Look At Our Silly Long Name). Of course since National Express East Anglia and National Express East Coast don't share rolling stock, staff, websites, or indeed anything (with the minor exception of running trains from Peterborough very occasionally) it may take them a while to get this sorted.

i love NX [Visitor]

2008-04-11 @ 15:00

If you aint happy with the punctuality then BUGGAR off onto a FCC train!

vote with your FEET!

Fast trains calling at Huntingdon/St neots only taking an hour and with the timetable change, 12 car trains are planned..

stop bleeding moaning and DO something about it!!!!

you really are a T&*$#@@%^*

Razor Ronnie [Visitor]

2008-04-11 @ 18:23

Well actually he is doing something about it by way of this Blog.

Given NXEC and FCC have a monopoly of this line there are no alternatives which is the problem.

This franchise system is worse then having BR run the railway, at least they were accountable.

Its very easy to say vote with your feet but thats a wanker response.

Try making your customers happy as the rest of the market does.

badwolf [Visitor]

2008-04-14 @ 23:04

Yes but by way of this blog your not doing anything posititve, all your doing on here is complaining in cyberspace, i mean do you think that the big bosses all come here to find out what they are doing wrong?

So if you think that the service is that crap do something about it, look what happened with First Great Western, the passengers took a stance against the crap conditions on the trains, and you have the advantage of not having to go through barriers.

Look how bad its getting out there trains always breaking down, having problems...its now getting to be the norm for things to be up the wall, alright they cannot control weather and overhead lines but a lot they can do and wont do.

So rather than spend time sitting on ya P.C huffing and puffing or making loud comments in the carriage DO SOMETHING POSITIVE

Central Simon [Visitor]

2008-04-11 @ 19:44

I agree.

Thankfully I don't normally travel at the peak times but have done this week.

The 0714 does the journey in about an hour. There is a regular fast service back from around 1640 - 2100.

Can't imagine why many commuters don't get a FCC only season.

Big plans for the FCC service, rumoured to go loco hauled for some services (presume the semi-fast)later this year and when the Thameslink 2000 (or whatever it's called now) the 12 car trains. So we'd save about £1,000 per year for about 15 mins longer journey per day

And to put it another way, what share of an "any permitted" season do NXEC get? As a guess £3,000? So if just 100 Season ticket holders buy their FCC only seasons, thats what £300,000 off NXEC's profit!

Finally question to those "in the know" Why are so many NXEC services breaking down at the moment?

And the National Express staff would benefit as they'd have less tickets to check.

Everyone a winner!!!

PenfoldPenfold [Member]
2008-04-11 @ 20:02

Ah. That'd be the renowned NXEC friendly attitude to customers again, then? You must work for the website or something.

Frankly, mate? As soon as FCC's timetable has a FAST train at 1607 or 1620 back to Peterborough? Unless NXEC have improved mightily, I'm cashing in the remaining months of my NXEC season, free Wifi and faster trains be damned, and buying an FCC-only one.

[And before you ask? I have a job, I have to do 7 1/2 hours a day in London, my wife works evenings several days a week, and I have to pick my son up by 1800 or the after-school folks fine us: with the average traffic at 1740, I can't get there in time from the 1637.]

badwolf [Visitor]

2008-04-11 @ 23:37

what exactly is this "slack" you keep referring to?

The arrivals board that you linked is National Rail Enquiries and is no way connected to National Express in any way shape or form.

I dont believe National Express give discounts on season tickets anymore, i may be wrong, but if you wanted to know why not ask person who sits behind counter rather than relying on a computer?

Why has suddenly the "attitude" of the staff gone down now it is NXEC?, did they suddenly pull the plug on the rose tinted way those lovely GNER staff used to be? funny i thought they were the same staff as what they were in GNER, the only thing to change was a name.

So if FCC dont have a 1607 or a 1620 will you continue with NXEC and if they do will you go off and start a "moaning about FCC blog"?

s [Visitor]

2008-04-13 @ 17:03

Has anyone successfully claimed under the new scheme? I have a submitted a number of claims and have not had anything back after a month - maybe the delay payments will have the same delay as the trains?
Btw, the form for claiming doesn't have a box to put the date you are claiming for - so I don't know how that is supposed to work.

central simon [Visitor]

2008-04-14 @ 15:39

Aye.

The 0900 decided to die at Hatfield on Sunday morning. Was travelling with my daughter.

Today received £14 in National Rail vouchers (cost of a child single).

Alison [Visitor]

2008-04-15 @ 09:05

I claimed for a 2 hour delay at the start of March, and after a month received a letter telling me that I'm not entitled to any compensation because I renewed my ticket in November before NXEC took over the franchise - basically I have to put up with every delay between now and November and can't claim a penny. Jokers.

Carlos13 [Visitor]

2008-04-14 @ 13:47

I'm interested in the "no-slack" time, I've seen the low times quoted, 34 minutes, 38 minutes, if only NXEC could convey me back to Peterborough in this time!

However I think it's cobblers. According to google maps, the distance by road from Kings Cross to Peterborough is 84 miles. The route is pretty direct and although the train doesn't go in a straight line either you'd have to estimate the distance on the track at no less than 75 miles.

In order to travel 75 miles in 34 minutes the train would need to average 132 mph. Including the time spent accelerating from rest at KX and decelerating to rest at Peterborough. I don't think this is likely, do you? I think the train would need to be able to top out at 160mph to do this. What is the max speed of the 225?

Andy Pandy [Visitor]

2008-04-18 @ 11:23

Peterborough is 76.3625 miles from King's Cross by rail. The maximum speed anywhere on the line is 125mph, and south of Woolmer Green (about 24 miles from London) there is nothing faster than 110mph.

That 34 minutes is looking ever more elusive, no?

Carlos13 [Visitor]

2008-04-24 @ 16:37

Based on these figures it would take 38 minutes to cover the distance if you could accelerate both from and to rest instantaneously.

If it takes 5 mins to get to/from rest, the realistic time with no delays is circa 43 minutes.

Which is about in line with what I've experienced.

KevinFinnertyKevinFinnerty [Member]
2008-04-15 @ 14:17

I don think anyone has actually answered the question... Firstly my apologies for not being around.... Other things going on rather than blogging

On time to NXEC means arriving in its destination within 10 minutes of the asvertised arrival time... 9 minutes late = on time. 10 minutes = late.

This is even if NXEC are not the cause of the delay. And at the present time NXEC are languishing at the bottom of the PPM (Passenger Performance Monitor) league that measures TOC's punctuality.

At the end of the day, you guys (and gals) are the passengers... The ones that pay our wages...

On the train, it is our job to make your journey as pleasant as possible. That is why i always try to have a bit crack with the passengers... Some time, you season ticket lot arent especially receptive to it... I know, you just wanna get home! Dont we all!

Keep the faith, guys! I know it must be hard at times....

TTFN

KF

Devils Advocate [Visitor]

2008-04-18 @ 23:25

Here here KF....I too try to have a bit of crack with the punters and at worst they get a cheery hello from me, but increasingly and infact more often than not now the PBO season ticket holders look at me like i've just dropped by from another planet.

As my old Mam always says, It Costs now't to be polite!!!

Central Simon [Visitor]

2008-04-19 @ 10:45

Must admit to being a bit confused.

I'm 100% sure I saw a poster at KX which said the PPM for "last month" was a very poor 82%.

But go to NXEC own online performance board and it's improved to 90.5%

Confused.com?!?

The link to the NXEC page http://www.nationalexpresseastcoast.com/About-us/Passengers-Charter1/Performance-Board/

I will try and remember to take a photo of the poster at KX later today.

But 82(ish) % of trains running to the already slack timetable.

QUALITY

KevinFinnertyKevinFinnerty [Member]
2008-04-26 @ 20:29

Slack is a term used to refer to recovery time...

And in NXEC's staff publication it refers to the PPM over the preceeding 12 months as 81.8% - which is worse than FGW and considerably worse than the national average.

Jus bear in mind that if one train is late it has a bigger effect on the figures...

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